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Traveller-digest      Monday, November 8 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1327<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
Recovering disabled grav vehicles<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri [OT]<BR>
POWs<BR>
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
Re: Recovering disabled grav vehicles<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1326<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea <BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
unsubscribe Abudaby@aol.com<BR>
Re: Travshorts II<BR>
Re: POWs<BR>
Re: Recovering disabled grav vehicles<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
Re: Travshorts II<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri [OT]<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
Re: Travshorts II<BR>
character sheets and ships papers?<BR>
Re : Zhodani and Psionics (was Zhodani Government, longish)<BR>
Re : Nuclear Dampers and Disintegrators<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:26:21 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
<BR>
On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 Sethkimmel@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> I HATE the whole social history movement. While I think it's very important <BR>
> to study the "little man/woman" to get the whole picture of history, I reject <BR>
> the notion that one shouldn't study the movers and shakers (i.e., the rulers, <BR>
> leaders, etc.). This is just 1960s backlash against the "establishment". The <BR>
> problem with social history, is that until democracy, the little man/woman <BR>
> didn't DO a whole hell of a lot. It's more interesting to study the leaders.<BR>
<BR>
"Social history" encompasses a lot of different orientations and<BR>
methodologies, but as a general subdiscipline it dates back several<BR>
generations before the '60s.  Bloch was writing in the '20s.  Not that<BR>
that doesn't make the whole thing a load of whiny hooey, of course!<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:42:43 PST<BR>
From: "Brandon Cope" <copeab@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Recovering disabled grav vehicles<BR>
<BR>
(I'm sure this comes up at least twice a year, so sorry if I'm bringing back <BR>
an undead thread)<BR>
<BR>
I tend to design support vehicles and starships for the sake of <BR>
completeness. However, I run into a problem with Traveller; the primary role <BR>
(or at least a major role) of an ARV (Armored Recovery Vehicle) is to take a <BR>
damaged vehicle from where it was knocked out to where it can be effectively <BR>
repaired. This usually isn't much of a problem with wheeled or tracked <BR>
vehicles; as long as wheels or tracks or intact, you just tow it back.<BR>
<BR>
This really doesn't work for grav vehicles, though, unless you want to drag <BR>
them around on their underbodies. As I see it, there are three (well, four) <BR>
possible recovery situations for a grav vehicle:<BR>
<BR>
(1) contragravity units undamaged: If the vehicle still has power, it can <BR>
activate the units and be towed normally by the ARV. If the disabled vehicle <BR>
no longer has power, a power cable can be run from the ARV to a standard <BR>
power socket on the disabled vehicle in order to power the contragravity <BR>
units. The vehicle is then towed as above.<BR>
<BR>
(2) contragravity units damage: This gets a little complicated. Even with <BR>
power, the disabled vehicle is no longer capable of "lifting" itself. The <BR>
best solution I see it that every AFV (Armored Fighting Vehicle) comes with <BR>
external attachment points for emergency grav pods; these grav pods are just <BR>
contragravity units with either a large rechargable battery (CG units tend <BR>
to have pretty low power requirements) or a power socket for power cables <BR>
coming from the ARV. The ARV would carry several emergency grav pods <BR>
(probably enough to lift the heaviest vehicle the ARV was supposed to tow). <BR>
For realism, the CG "lift" should be distributed around the disabled vehicle <BR>
as evenly as possible. After the emergency grav pods are attached and <BR>
activated, the AFV is towed as normal.<BR>
<BR>
(3) AFV virtually destroyed: The vehicle has been disabled to the point to <BR>
where it cannot be towed (there is a real risk that it may break apart in <BR>
transit). If possible, a grav transport (basically a large grav flatbead <BR>
truck) is brought in and the disabled vehicle is placed on the back (using <BR>
CG pods and/or cranes). If the situation is too dangerous, the AFV strips <BR>
what equipment it can, then uses demolition charges to prevent whatever is <BR>
left from the AFV to fall into enemy hands.<BR>
<BR>
(4) AFV self-mobile: The AFV can move on its own, but is damaged to the <BR>
point where it is unlikely to return to base on its own. An ARV is sent to <BR>
provide minor repairs (if possible) or towing (if neccessary).<BR>
<BR>
A generous and sadistic GM,<BR>
<BR>
Brandon Cope<BR>
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:53:55 +1000<BR>
From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri [OT]<BR>
<BR>
>Hey, Kiri!  Instead of learning Hebrew, learn Canadian.  Canuck Coke<BR>
>is always made with sugar...  any time I trip south of the 49th, my friends<BR>
>always ask me to throw a few cases in the trunk to bring down to them...<BR>
<BR>
<pro commonwealth><BR>
<BR>
I thought canadian wasn't a language, it was a way of life. It's what all<BR>
Americans become when they pass their IQ test. :-)<BR>
<BR>
</pro commonwealth><BR>
<BR>
Darryl<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:22:17 -0500<BR>
From: "Lyle Youngblood" <lyley@gte.net><BR>
Subject: POWs<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:56:32 -0500<BR>
>From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
>Subject: Re: Read all about it ! Sixth Frontier War! It's Official! (... or<BR>
not)<BR>
>>Uh-oh! Can any one say *Sixth* Frontier War. Maybe SJG want a bit of<BR>
>>conflict as a backdrop, and without the rebellion timeline....<BR>
>>Or maybe I'm just reading *waaay* too much into this... <g><BR>
><BR>
>6FW was the impression I got as well....<BR>
>           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
    Whereas I thought of the old Chuck Norris series of Missing In Action<BR>
movies.  Seriously, this is more likely to lead to an espionage plot or<BR>
an independent rescue attempt with a well-to-do industrialist (along the<BR>
lines of H. Ross Perot) hiring a groups of mercs (i.e. PCs) than a 6FW,<BR>
at least IMO.<BR>
                                    Lyle<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:27:23<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
<BR>
At 08:21 AM 11/8/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Part of a trilogy put out by FASA. Legend of the Sky Raiders, Trail <BR>
>of the Sky Raiders, and Fate of the Sky Raiders. It was for CT. I don't<BR>
>remember many details except that I thought it was one of the best <BR>
>sets of adventure modules for CT I had seen. Very detailed. I don't <BR>
>have them at hand and can't recall the plot in any real detail so I<BR>
>will let someone else answer that part. I rate it, for what I remember <BR>
>of my impressions, as a 9 or 10.<BR>
<BR>
Easiest explanation:<BR>
<BR>
After playing this adventure, you knew what the Brothers Keith did after<BR>
seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:31:44<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Recovering disabled grav vehicles<BR>
<BR>
At 01:42 PM 11/8/1999 PST, you wrote:<BR>
>(I'm sure this comes up at least twice a year, so sorry if I'm bringing back <BR>
>an undead thread)<BR>
><BR>
>I tend to design support vehicles and starships for the sake of <BR>
>completeness. However, I run into a problem with Traveller; the primary role <BR>
>(or at least a major role) of an ARV (Armored Recovery Vehicle) is to take a <BR>
>damaged vehicle from where it was knocked out to where it can be effectively <BR>
>repaired. This usually isn't much of a problem with wheeled or tracked <BR>
>vehicles; as long as wheels or tracks or intact, you just tow it back.<BR>
<BR>
The group designing vehicles for Grond Vehicles have produced the Heavy<BR>
Recovery Sled, which can lift diabled Intrepids and fly them back to repair<BR>
and salvage points.  An Intrepid weighs 192 tons.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:36:57 EST<BR>
From: Abudaby@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1326<BR>
<BR>
    Unsubscribe Abudaby@aol.com/<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:46:23 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Michel Vaillancourt wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>         Hey, Kiri!  Instead of learning Hebrew, learn Canadian.  Canuck Coke<BR>
> is always made with sugar...  any time I trip south of the 49th, my friends<BR>
> always ask me to throw a few cases in the trunk to bring down to them...<BR>
> <BR>
Do you ever come to San Francisco?  ^_^<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN <BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:42:34 -0500<BR>
From: "Micheal D. Peters" <Travelleri@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea <BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Keven R. Pittsinger <jamstar@accesstoledo.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 1:46 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> > At 09:43 AM 11/08/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
> > >From: "Micheal D. Peters" <Travelleri@home.com><BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > > In Traveller, try Fate of the Skyraiders. Giant asteroid ship, etc.<BR>
Oh and<BR>
> > > > Judges Guide did one too (Nowhere near as good!) Drakne Station i<BR>
think.<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > >Please tell me about this "Fate of the Skyraiders" adventure.  Which<BR>
> > >edition was it for?  Who put it out?  How would you rate it on a one<BR>
> > >to ten scale, ten being the best?<BR>
> ><BR>
> > The Keith's did it.  Nothing more need be said, it's an 11.  It was an<BR>
old<BR>
> > FASA product, and was of the highest quality.<BR>
><BR>
> Partially correct.  It was a 14 on a scale of 1 to 10.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
And I just got Trail of the Skyraiders from Swordy which fills out my<BR>
re-purchase of the classics (YAY)!!! ;*p<BR>
<BR>
!!!!POSSIBLE SPOILER (How MANY people NEVER heard of the Skyraiders Trilogy<BR>
anyway?)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
The advernture is a CT trilogy that follows the search for a race of<BR>
pre-Imperium star travellers that terrized one of the Keith Bros. playground<BR>
sectors. in the first the PCs assist a scientist in searching a planet that<BR>
the scientist thinks is the Skyraiders home world, The second follows the<BR>
adventures of the scientist's archiologist daughter as she persues more<BR>
inforamtion on the Skyraiders. THe thisrd and final volume answers all the<BR>
unanswered questions presented in the first two and details a massive<BR>
asteroid ship in the process.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:05:44<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
At 02:46 PM 11/8/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Michel Vaillancourt wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>>         Hey, Kiri!  Instead of learning Hebrew, learn Canadian.  Canuck<BR>
>>Coke is always made with sugar...  any time I trip south of the 49th, my <BR>
>>friends always ask me to throw a few cases in the trunk to bring down to <BR>
>>them...<BR>
>> <BR>
>Do you ever come to San Francisco?  ^_^<BR>
<BR>
Second that!  You bring a few cases, plus something for the rest of y'all<BR>
to drink, and I'll run the gasme!<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
If someone is arrested for jaywalking or littering just<BR>
after midnight next New Year's Eve, for at least a minute<BR>
or two he will have committed the crime of the century. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:12:03 -0500<BR>
From: Rob Brady <robb@datatone.com><BR>
Subject: unsubscribe Abudaby@aol.com<BR>
<BR>
Just wanted to let people know I wrote to both<BR>
Majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com and Adudaby to straighten this out.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Tardy robber.. Order By Brat.. Tardy Bob ERR.. Retry bad Rob.. Retro by bard<BR>
Robert Brady                                        robb at datatone dot com<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:17:19 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Travshorts II<BR>
<BR>
Matthew Bond wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> <book critic><BR>
> Juliean Galak's latest Traveller novel was released today to poplar acclaim.<BR>
<BR>
But how do _other_ trees feel about it?  [Actually, since the story was<BR>
published in an e-mail, and therefore no paper was used, the trees<BR>
probably have good reason to like it.]<BR>
<BR>
> While lacking in plot and characterisation this critic found it refreshingly<BR>
> short, to the point, and honest.<BR>
> </book critic><BR>
> <BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> >At 02:56 PM 11/8/99 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
> >>I've had a number of responses so far to my request for Traveller short<BR>
> >>stories (3-7000 words, any Canon traveller setting, etc) There's room for<BR>
> >>more.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Hey, I could do this!<BR>
> ><BR>
> >"They all died"<BR>
> ><BR>
> >There, that's three words and fits any Canon setting... :)<BR>
> ><BR>
> >           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:17:09 -0600<BR>
From: Eris reddoch <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: POWs<BR>
<BR>
Lyle Youngblood wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:56:32 -0500<BR>
> >From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
> >Subject: Re: Read all about it ! Sixth Frontier War! It's Official! (... or<BR>
> not)<BR>
> >>Uh-oh! Can any one say *Sixth* Frontier War. Maybe SJG want a bit of<BR>
> >>conflict as a backdrop, and without the rebellion timeline....<BR>
> >>Or maybe I'm just reading *waaay* too much into this... <g><BR>
> ><BR>
> >6FW was the impression I got as well....<BR>
> >           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
> <BR>
>     Whereas I thought of the old Chuck Norris series of Missing In Action<BR>
> movies.  Seriously, this is more likely to lead to an espionage plot or<BR>
> an independent rescue attempt with a well-to-do industrialist (along the<BR>
> lines of H. Ross Perot) hiring a groups of mercs (i.e. PCs) than a 6FW,<BR>
> at least IMO.<BR>
>                                     Lyle<BR>
<BR>
If you go back to the previous transmissions you'll find that Lucan<BR>
has joined the Navy and will be going to the Academy and serving at<BR>
least one tour afterwards.  Maybe it'll "make a man" of him! <g><BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
<BR>
Oh, and persistent rumors that Dulinor is still alive continue to<BR>
circulate even while a "special investigative group" will begin work<BR>
on solving his "murder."  <weg><BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:37:59 PST<BR>
From: "Brandon Cope" <copeab@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Recovering disabled grav vehicles<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
><BR>
>At 01:42 PM 11/8/1999 PST, you wrote:<BR>
>The group designing vehicles for Grond Vehicles have produced the Heavy<BR>
>Recovery Sled, which can lift diabled Intrepids and fly them back to repair<BR>
>and salvage points.  An Intrepid weighs 192 tons.<BR>
<BR>
I did consider slinging the disabled AFV underneath, like many helicopters <BR>
do today with heavy loads. However, 192 tons is a pretty good amount of <BR>
dead-weight to tote around. It seems best to me to try and get some kind of <BR>
CG working on the towed vehicle.<BR>
<BR>
A generous and sadistic GM,<BR>
<BR>
Brandon Cope<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:09:32 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:01:10 -0500 (EST), "Kiri Aradia Morgan"<BR>
<tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Thanks to everyone (Jeff was just one) who mailed me about this.<BR>
<BR>
>I have just one question.  I can't read Hebrew.  How can I recognize what<BR>
>this looks like?<BR>
<BR>
If you can recognize the fact that something is written in<BR>
Hebrew, that will be enough - the Coke cans don't have anything<BR>
in Hebrew on them UNLESS it's the Kosher for Passover (Kosher<BR>
l'Pesach) stuff.<BR>
<BR>
However, let me try to describe what the Hebrew looks like:<BR>
<BR>
(N.B. Hebrew is read right-to-left.  The "first" letter of a word<BR>
is the one at the right end.)<BR>
<BR>
The word "kosher" has three letters.  The first letter looks sort<BR>
of like a backward C, the second letter looks sort of like a W -<BR>
or maybe a Russian SH, and the third looks like a backwards<BR>
lower-case "r".<BR>
<BR>
The word "Pesach" also has three letters - the first looks sort<BR>
of like a backward lower-case "e", the second looks like an "o"<BR>
with a little bit of a serif at the upper left, and the last<BR>
letter looks kind of like a vertically-elongated backward<BR>
lower-case "r".<BR>
<BR>
However, the phrase is "kosher l'pesach", which means I haven't<BR>
accounted for the "l'".  That's attached to the beginning of the<BR>
second word, and it looks like a "7" with a tail rising from the<BR>
left end of the horizontal bar.  The tail may or may not be<BR>
folded back along the top bar, but either way, it will be<BR>
distinct.<BR>
<BR>
I'd try to do some bad ascii, but it'd be worse than useless.<BR>
<BR>
Pesach/Passover is usually around Easter, so look at the Coke<BR>
starting about a month before then.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:08:27 -0700<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Travshorts II<BR>
<BR>
Black ICE wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Matthew Bond wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > <book critic><BR>
> > Juliean Galak's latest Traveller novel was released today to poplar acclaim.<BR>
> <BR>
> But how do _other_ trees feel about it?  [Actually, since the story was<BR>
> published in an e-mail, and therefore no paper was used, the trees<BR>
> probably have good reason to like it.]<BR>
<BR>
But trillions upon trillions of electrons were brutally smashed into<BR>
phosphor screens _without anasthesia_ so that you couls read this you<BR>
bio-centric monster, you ;-P<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:33:41 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
At 02:20 PM 11/8/99 -0700, you wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Michel Vaillancourt wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> >>Kiri, just stock up once a year around Passover - when the Coke<BR>
>> >>is marked 'Kosher l'Pesach' (in Hebrew), it's made with sugar,<BR>
>> >>not corn syrup.  IIRC, Sephardic Jews consider corn and corn<BR>
>> >>products to be chometz.<BR>
>> >><BR>
>> >Thanks to everyone (Jeff was just one) who mailed me about this.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> >I have just one question.  I can't read Hebrew.  How can I recognize what<BR>
>> >this looks like?<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> >Kiri<BR>
>> <BR>
>>         Hey, Kiri!  Instead of learning Hebrew, learn Canadian.  Canuck Coke<BR>
>> is always made with sugar...  any time I trip south of the 49th, my friends<BR>
>> always ask me to throw a few cases in the trunk to bring down to them...<BR>
><BR>
>Eh?<BR>
><BR>
>Bruce Johnson<BR>
<BR>
        Close, but the Texan accent mauled it.  Its more "Eh?" than the way<BR>
you said it.  Just practice some more.<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:35:38 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri [OT]<BR>
<BR>
At 08:53 AM 11/9/99 +1000, you wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>>Hey, Kiri!  Instead of learning Hebrew, learn Canadian.  Canuck Coke<BR>
>>is always made with sugar...  any time I trip south of the 49th, my friends<BR>
>>always ask me to throw a few cases in the trunk to bring down to them...<BR>
><BR>
><pro commonwealth><BR>
><BR>
>I thought canadian wasn't a language, it was a way of life. It's what all<BR>
>Americans become when they pass their IQ test. :-)<BR>
><BR>
></pro commonwealth><BR>
><BR>
>Darryl<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
        Darryl, *you* and *I* know that, but I *try* not to beat up on<BR>
TML'ers about it.  =)<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:37:42 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
At 02:46 PM 11/8/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Michel Vaillancourt wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>>         Hey, Kiri!  Instead of learning Hebrew, learn Canadian.  Canuck Coke<BR>
>> is always made with sugar...  any time I trip south of the 49th, my friends<BR>
>> always ask me to throw a few cases in the trunk to bring down to them...<BR>
>> <BR>
>Do you ever come to San Francisco?  ^_^<BR>
><BR>
>Kiri<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
        Not in the past decade, no.  If you are ever vacationing in Nova<BR>
Scotia, let me know and I'll have a gaming session and a case of Coke<BR>
organized....<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:40:45 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Travshorts II<BR>
<BR>
At 05:08 PM 11/8/99 -0700, you wrote:<BR>
>> But how do _other_ trees feel about it?  [Actually, since the story was<BR>
>> published in an e-mail, and therefore no paper was used, the trees<BR>
>> probably have good reason to like it.]<BR>
><BR>
>But trillions upon trillions of electrons were brutally smashed into<BR>
>phosphor screens _without anasthesia_ so that you couls read this you<BR>
>bio-centric monster, you ;-P<BR>
><BR>
>-- <BR>
>Bruce Johnson<BR>
<BR>
        ROFTL!<BR>
        (Damn fine thing I read TML and *then* open the Coke can....)<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:58:00 -0800<BR>
From: "Elfman" <elfman@pacificnet.net><BR>
Subject: character sheets and ships papers?<BR>
<BR>
Hello all,<BR>
<BR>
I am new to this list so I will be brief and to the point.<BR>
<BR>
I am looking for some electron based traveller character sheets and ships<BR>
papers. Anyone have any of these or at least knows where to find them? These<BR>
would be for the First version (Black Book Set).<BR>
<BR>
Best Regards,<BR>
William<BR>
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:10:48 +1100<BR>
From: "Robert O'Connor" <robocon@ozemail.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re : Zhodani and Psionics (was Zhodani Government, longish)<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith wrote :-<BR>
<BR>
> Let's say that Zhodani psionic adepts learn to read and alter minds.<BR>
> Is it a necessity that they learn the entire workings of the human<BR>
> brain to impose a desired mental state upon it?<BR>
><BR>
Heck, no ; Skinnerian operant conditioning is predicated on a 'black<BR>
box' model of the brain. Most RW cognitive-behavioural therapies have<BR>
their origins in operant conditioning.<BR>
(My apologies to any psychologists or psychiatrists on the list who<BR>
were taught at schools with alternate views).<BR>
<BR>
and :-<BR>
<BR>
> If this technique makes a troublemaker stop being a troublemaker,<BR>
> will the adepts take the time and effort needed to get a better<BR>
> understanding of the human mind?<BR>
><BR>
The list has been talking about academic styles, particularly in the<BR>
social sciences, of late.<BR>
    One could envisage two basic approaches to the problem of 'cognitive<BR>
science' - the intersection of psychology, psionics and<BR>
neurophysiology.<BR>
    i. 'Lumping' - under some (?flawed) unifying theory. Canon posits<BR>
that the physical basis of psionics remains unclear [?at less than<BR>
Ancient tech levels?], so psionicology may remain on a semi-mystical<BR>
footing, especially in the Consulate (instead of being forbidden<BR>
knowledge, like in the Imperium).<BR>
    ii. 'Splitting' - data is gathered in each separate discipline. From<BR>
time to time, some genius arises who can link apparently disparate<BR>
findings.<BR>
    I would suspect that the situation is a dynamic one, where the<BR>
pendulum oscillates between these extremes with time.<BR>
<BR>
and :-<BR>
<BR>
> Once a simple, reliable technique is developed for keeping the proles<BR>
> in line, will the Zhodani Tvarcheedle spend their resources working on<BR>
> a more complex technique that's nicer to the proles' brains, or will they<BR>
> instead work on making the simple (though brutal) technique more<BR>
> effective and more efficient?<BR>
><BR>
Again, this depends on parallel progress in psionicology and other<BR>
social attitudes. If the conditioning technique works and has minimal<BR>
knock on effects, it doesn't need changing.<BR>
    On the other hand, quite maladaptive behaviours may result. An<BR>
example from SF is in Haldeman's 'The Forever War' where the UNEF<BR>
infantry are initially conditioned to become disinhibited killers by<BR>
post-hypnotic suggestion. The only problem is that survival behaviours<BR>
were suppressed, leading to some disastrous defeats by the Taurans later<BR>
on (berserkers and modern (near-future tech) weapons don't mix).<BR>
<BR>
This thread could be quite useful to future Trav-Culture efforts ; keep<BR>
the info coming!<BR>
<BR>
Robert O'Connor<BR>
Medico, Gamer<BR>
- ------------------------------<BR>
Suggestions for description of Zho government :-<BR>
mix and match :-<BR>
Word list 1 : psionic, benevolent, rational, charismatic...<BR>
Word list 2 : dictatorship, oligarchy, bureaucracy...<BR>
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:11:01 +1100<BR>
From: "Robert O'Connor" <robocon@ozemail.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re : Nuclear Dampers and Disintegrators<BR>
<BR>
Joe Dietrich wondered how nuclear dampers protected against<BR>
disintegrator weapons.<BR>
<BR>
I think the two basic types of nuclear dampers, based on the<BR>
information that was posted a few digests back, are :-<BR>
i. Point defence device - intercept incoming nukes.<BR>
ii. 'Damper box' - items within a damping field have more (or less)<BR>
stable nuclei. E.g. theatre of ops/city (installation)/vehicle<BR>
protection/stabilising californium munitions.<BR>
<BR>
So a disintegrator induces instability in the target's atoms, which is<BR>
opposed by the damper in 'box' mode.<BR>
(?alters strong or electroweak force/suppresses electron or proton<BR>
charge/perturbs local constants e.g. changes gravitational and<BR>
electromag interactions from inverse square to some other power, or<BR>
varies Planck constant/free space permittivity/G?)<BR>
<BR>
From a GURPS standpoint, a nuclear damper is a primitive SATAN (Space<BR>
And Time Anomaly Neutraliser) device, operating in two modes (albeit<BR>
very important ones).<BR>
<BR>
Robert O'Connor<BR>
Medico, Gamer<BR>
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